Unfortunately the absolute reeking stupidity of many of the members of the Dal club has poisoned the outcross well, NOT Christopher. It is desire for purebred dogs of ANY kind that perpetuates the problems of that particular breed. So there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Oh Bravo, you’ve refuted everything I’ve said with an insult. A few blue-eyed animals are not a problem, but breeding them together might cause neurological abnormalities similar to those which occur in dogs and cats. D., and Deesing, M.J. (1997). It’s YOUR article, YOU are making these assertions, back it up and provide sources if you want to be taken seriously. So meh, not a priority. I can tell from a distance usually if he is going to react to another dog because if we see a dog approaching his entire body language will alter, he will become stiff and rigid, his ears cock forwards tail erect and whipping erratically, eyes totally fixated and glazed, he will sometimes begin stalking similar to a collie that is approaching sheep, then when a certain distance away he does not bare his teeth! Scott is also a past board member of HKC. Dog breeders have made exceptionally stupid comments on this blog. Why are you still harping on this. Dalmatians with the highest ratio of white fur to black are getting close to true albinism. Last update: Jul 20, 2020 1 answer. Melton, D. A. They became more Social Clubs in my opinion, and viewpoint.. I can point to pretty much any breed and find a dog that is a common ancestor of all the dogs in that breed. J. Comp. Trolls themselves are emotionally-immature users who thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments, like blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat.”. What happen to the Vision? EVERY rescue place will state if you are willing to put in the time, these are WONDERFUL dogs. You’re insulted that I spoke some truth about Dalmatians and now you think that I’ll shut up if you insult Border Collies? Could we not say that dilution in white factor is the deletion of pigmentation? If you’re looking for a dog that is playful, Loyal, active, Intelligent, and adaptable, but don’t want a dog that can be stubborn, sheds night and day, needs a lot of attention, and has to have a low purine diet to avoid having urinary stones. Dalmatians are. Breeder attitude is important. Hercules and Lily need you. And following that train of thought many people who have a dalmatian do not understand these dogs were bred to run along side carriages all day. It’s strange that you’d pick on Dals for negative colour traits, as opposed to, I don’t know… a West Highland White?! Because irresponsible owners would only be throwing gas on the fire, meaning that if Dalmatians have such a bad temperament, how come someone can torture them and starve them, yet after being rescued, they are loving and (gasp!) At least I don’t have to purchase wide soled shoes, your fat prick. We could avoid a genetic bottleneck regarding LUA if we allowed OTHER breeders to use OTHER breeds to bring in non HUA genes. Her only threat is giving you too many kisses. And no, as Prince Charming I will not be touching your nasty feet and allowing you to try on the glass slipper. It made those dogs a dream to work with. This is fact because I witnessed it. “Association of three genetic loci with uric acid concentration and risk of gout: a genome-wide association study.” Lancet 372(9654):1953-61. Take your Dalmatian outside every hour or two for a potty break. Vet., June 13-16, 4(3)13-16. Take clicker training, for example, where a desired action or behaviour is rewarded immediately following a ‘click’ on the clicker device, also known as a ‘marker’. Now I only did you a favor by entering this into Google and since I was curious about the outcome BUT I am not in the habit of lying to others or myself and have chosen the Dalmatian as my breed for their specific temperament. Owners must establish their dominance over the Dalmatian. Jess recently posted..Tazi, a Journey with the Afghan Hounds. I mean heck, the first cell phone in 1973 weighted 2 pounds and worked in all of one location on the globe. How does “ALL BREEDS HAVE ISSUES” change anything? I also think in fact in many ways the negatives (if you see them as such) are a lot like those of the BC except they will bite. This blog isn’t about opinion sharing. The words they are thinking about most regarding Dalmatians are poor temperament and being fire house dogs. She loves her family so much and she loves meeting new people and puppies. They are purely aesthetic characters. They offer no advantage to either health, working ability or disposition. Why are children in the same family so different from one another? I needed a high energy, hardy, endurance animal that could outhike me. Thus people who were not willing to put in the time to exercise and stimulate the breed ended up having problems. It’s actually NOT a good idea to have just one injection of new DNA (although really, since the club has waited so long to let in the LUA gene that’s really the only thing they are letting in). Could you please provide citations for this? The only counter-evidence to this claim would be (1) if there were Dalmatian breeders who wanted to preserve whatever else it means to be a Dalmatian but would accept more common coat colors in the breed and introduce those colors through outcrossing. claim = assert the truth of something, rebound = to bounce back And Id still like to know what health tests he does on his own dogs. Not sure where you get your information from but my knowledge as a vet student is…the most common stone formation is struvite…which is easily remedied through medical management. I also took first place in Colorado with a perfect score on the University of Northern Colorado Invitational Mathematics Examination. Notions of “base color” are irrelevant. And it already is. They are still a breed built around a genetic disease. Are there any white-coated dog breeds that don’t suffer from issues? But the take-away point is that Dalmatians have the highest rates of deafness of any breed and some breeds that are “known” for deafness issues have maybe 3%. Why does it matter that there are problems in all breeds. She can sit,shake, high five, stand, hug, kiss, sit pretty and learned almost all of these by the time she was 10 weeks old. It has a digestion system to be a meat eater, but primary diet as you are aware is bamboo much like some sort of cousin the red panda which is of the raccoon family. Dave recently posted..From Which He Flushed. The latter forgets all the bad incidents. Birds can get hyperuricemia: http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com/avhc/Exotic-animal+medicine/Renal-disease-in-birds-Proceedings/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/557962. That’s not authoritarian, YOUR position is authoritarian. A ~20x ratio. And I appreciate all the work that went into producing this – I’ll have a grand time swimming through that data! But of course I’m sure you can see where these suggestions for African Americans can go. My dogs have participated in every active BC study going and a few all breed studies as well. The Appaloosa coat colour pattern Lp; is associated with congenital stationary night blindness. My mother in law had a vicious yorkie. Behavior ofcattle in yards II. When I first announced that I was getting a Dalmatian puppy, my parents told me that the breed was hard to train, my fiancée told me that they were hyper, and the media told me that they were aggressive. I read the first few sentences and the entire article lost all reputability to me. They are on this list. You can’t expect to bash Dalmatians and not have the people who love them disagree. Are you saying when I’m happy and I smile i’m not happy?? It was a faulty statement because you pretty much said I was wrong to suggest all albino dobes are inbred. Most breeds fall within that average. It could be possible there is something else going on to cause the high white. They will be mutts.”, Please don’t start this garbagey breedist nonsense. 25-31. You are mistaken in your understanding of drift. They hate to be left, and even if inactive, will nonetheless want to be with you. Guillery (1974) reports that many albino mammals have visual pathways with crossed connections to the brain. As with any dog breed, personality differences can be noticed with Dals – some area easier to train, some will give you a hard time. Im sure expressing these things broadly is acting as an incentive or rather direct challenge. Siamese cats are able to adapt well to their miswired visual systems (Guillery, 1974). Some people are average, and some people have a many-fold higher risk based on just this locus. I’ve have it in the contract that I want the eyes done on pet puppies, and I make sure it’s done. None of which really contradicts the basic facts of your research. You don’t respect my opinion if you counter it with ad hominem attacks, which is exactly what your trash talking of Border Collies is. The real train wreck here seems to be Christopher. A simple genetic basis for a complex physiological trait in laboratory mice. Occasionaly someone will presume that their (non backcross) Dal is LUA and these people are advised to take a home Urine test. Hubel, D. H., and Wiesel, T. N. (1970). The birds have abnormalities in the inner ear and have difficulty balancing. But ALL of them (save the LUAs) have the genetics to be deaf, the genetics to be unsound in temperament, and have uric acidosis. If the show-fanciers can’t fix themselves, then no one can breed dogs– including Christopher. The soonest possible date to have a Dalmatian puppy tested by a fully qualified Veterinarian is six weeks and one day. “The Study of Instinct.” Oxford University Press, New York (reprinted 1961). I have seen the same stupidity time and again….We had prominent breeders sing the praises of certain dogs who were then used extensively throughout the breed and 10 years later heard the same breeders decry the lousy toplines, flat feet, straight shoulders, etc. Dec 25, 2015 - This Pin was discovered by lolo. Three white feet, be on the sly. Border Collies are not build around a defective and shallow coat color allele. I remember even in the early 80’s there were a fairly decent number around of the Gelderlander that weren’t F1 crosses but today its like finding dry land in the Netherlands, almost none existent and far worse for the Groninger. Darwin, C. (1871). Very rare if you don’t smoke but every human is susceptible to getting it. As a consequence, inheritance of deafness associated with the piebald genes must be polygenic or must involve incomplete expression or penetrance, or some combination. 6. Few have this focus of purpose with the odds against them. Environmental causes of abnormal behavior. I’ve already explained that nowhere did I say that every Dalmatian should be put down lest they savage the face off of a human being or kill a child or re-enact Kujo on an unsuspecting public. Maybe you were never exposed to Fireman, and now woman who do volunteer work at fires with their Dals. With all due respect, this all sounds like hearsay and an attempt to demonize a breed. Fear and fearfulness in animals. Is a dalmatian easy to train? https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/Backgrounders/Pages/The-Role-of-Breed-in-Dog-Bite-Risk-and-Prevention.aspx. Have you seen it, the viral video of a “guilty” dog? So, “I want you to tell people they’re full of crap, but be so nice about it, they can save face and not actually consider that they’re wrong. White fur, blue eyes, and deafness in the domestic cat. Likewise, health encumbrances associated with lack of pigmentation are skin allergies, skin cancer and sunburn, demodicosis (immune-mediated hair follicle mange), follicular dysplasia (coat which is dull and breaks), reduced fertility and sterility, and photo-induced epilepsy just the tip of the ice-berg IMO. They always forget the pet owners are listening. Any further comments by you that involve Border Collies on this post will not be published. Crate train your Dalmatian. Most of the breedings taking place currently are using Low x High bred to High x High to increase so called diversity in the population. Drop me $100 and I’ll put out a West Higland White post, post haste! But, if the total number of puppies born is 1000, you could choose to interpret the data as 100 out of 1000, instead of 100 out of 500. The mission I can share but it is the chosen path that I reject. Also an insipid boy band. Heck, if we want the OMFG what have they done with their breeds, I think the Pekes, Bulldogs, and Pugs take the cake. School of Veterinary Medicine There are some stubborn dog breeds who might just test the limits of your patience while you're trying to train them. Before the advent of the Victorian Toilet Science of the closed registry based on blood purity, all dogs would be what you so condescendingly term “mutts,” no matter how long their pedigrees were. (1) Breeders lie. Again, that’s something wrong with her. The Paint to my understanding is known to be direct decendants of the Quarter Horse known for good temperaments. Ethol. The “rape racks” posts have already been written by at least 3 prominent dog bloggers that I can think of off the top of my head, and surely many more. Below is a statistical report. Neurophysiological effects of early sensory restriction. The thing is, Christopher’s sources for this particular claim are incredibly poorly researched. Along that line, “Pedigree Dogs Exposed” is a byproduct of the animal-welfare movement, not the animal-right movement. Which is why this particular mutation is being treated in a negative manner. 18, 385-403. We have been showing and breeding our favorite breed since 1981. Most of kids today have rage problems because of bad parenting. If this post made you think and you'd like to read more like it, consider a donation to my 4 Border Collies' Treat and Toy Fund. 42, 599-606. With so many breeds to choose from, how do you decide? Now again to the Dalmatians coat color. What I mean is that professionally handled dogs with HUGE (but not necessarily correct or healthy) movement that are taught to stand with a lot of tension (here again lays a temperament issue since breeders select for an overly alert temperament) do all the winning. Results registered with CERF, Just TWO tests, and look at what’s optional…, Legg-Calve-Perthes (Optional) You being a fellow atheist and all I naturally seemed to link your love of Google suggestions as a tool to provide back-up regarding Dalmatian temperament with the Google suggestion I just stumbled upon. So good try on turning the tables. So right there we have humans displaying all possible combinations of base pairs which show marked differences in Gout. Just wish LUA wasn’t so difficult to get a hold of. Absolutely. The closer the median is to 5, the stronger the trait is. Hirsh, J., Lindley, R. H., and Tolman, E. C. (1955). You have taken my post and performed what you performed all over the place……….. you have read something into it that was not there and you have added some ancient information that is long out of date since it suited you. renown = having fame. That means you suck. A dog with good nerves would not be traumatized. Dalmatian love. I grew up in Maryland in the late 40’s and 50’s. Processes 9, 255-260. The lightness or heaviness of the spotting is thus controlled by the ticking gene and not the extreme piebald gene, and it is not a factor in the prevalence of deafness.19 Based on studies of the Dalmatian, deafness in breeds carrying the piebald genes is neither simple recessive nor dominant. Is that enough mathy-sciencey-sort-of-qualifications for you? I’m curious how you feel about the Dalmatian rescue people who were protesting 101 Dalmatians then telling people basically how shitty the breed’s temperament is and how they’re not for everyone because they aren’t particularly nice dogs. I don’t even know if I have the words for how disgusted I am at your twisted and defeatist view of a perfectly preventable disease. You are singling out Dalmatians. Nor in the 35 minutes it took you to read the whole 1 page of this blog you looked at did you bother to click on any other of many many posts which deal with health, genetics, and problems with all sorts of breeds, ESPECIALLY Border Collies. There is no treatment. “However the Dalmatian breed has actually been around for a very looong time! Your words do not rate more than a brief insult. Click on “Raser” [trans. Bred by a responsible breeder who is then prepared to guide their puppy buyers at least through the first two years they are not only a very healthy breed but also a very level headed one. So, one must also say, by following your arguement, that dachshunds are shitty and they are bred with backs too long to support their bodies and French bulldogs, with their smooshed nose is shitty because they can’t breathe, etc., ad nauseum. Ethology 75, 85-108. To even hint that they are mentally and physically a “train wreck” is ludicrous. Depending on the breed dog training can be hard because dogs are independent, or not as willing to please their trainer as other breeds. Fixed. Also, the dog doesn’t fail or pass the test since it is simply a tool to measure the attributes of the temperament on a scale from 0 to 5. Who ever you are you should feel ashamed. I have also ridden horses all my life and to say that a less pigmented horse has worse personality than a pigmented one is the dumbest shit i ever heard. Sorry I do not find your cause believable at all. The breeds for which the prevalence is known to be high are highlighted in bold, although similar high rates may occur in other breeds that do not yet routinely receive testing. As you will be aware, stubborn and sturdy does not go hand in hand with submissive behavior. I am totally not against the introduction of new blood to counteract some of the problems Dals (like all breeds) face. S., and Snidman, N. (1988). You can’t even imagine the amount of pure stupidity I see with dogs. “Behaviorism.” W. W. Norton, New York. Your opinion on a dals pre disposition to anxiety is not backed up by fact… it is backed up by opinions that are backed up by opinions.. All dogs can have behavioural problems, most of which stem from their upbringing. 3. While the Dalmatians don’t have a breed profile published on the official website of the Svenska Brukshundsklubben, the data can still be access from a database: http://kennet.skk.se/avelsdata/ You might find this link a real awakening. Heck, they’re so popular that even the show breeders who are creating shitty Goldens with too-light coats that have reputations to bite (pattern sound familiar?) Well, it makes much more sense to me to have hundreds of tests done and once for a cheap price that makes it WORTH the expense instead of this inanely stupid idea of having to test every dog bred for every breed secific test, NO MATTER THE COST and NO MATTER HOW COMMON THE DISEASE IS! By that horribly twisted non-logic we can have no morality in dog breeding because any breeder can say it’s moral to breed blind dogs because flatworms are ok, and they’re blind. I’ve read some articles in which merles are described as having less “vigor”. To many do not get the home, and care, that they need. The most beautiful, well behaved, calm and friendly dog you’ll ever know. The domestication of evolution. And thank dog for that! Dachshunds come in 15 different colors and have 6 different markings. 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